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Post by QueueMistressMags on May 14, 2014 14:49:46 GMT
Eating a pear is not "an act of willful defiance." It is getting the sustenance that your body needs. And I think you should maybe think about following it up with some soup or a nice salad or something.
I'm concerned with what you say is a reference to former anorexia. I think you should see a doctor if you can and talk to him or her about this. I'm with Sandra (who does know about this stuff)--this is a really bad idea.
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Post by WinterMoon on May 14, 2014 15:08:41 GMT
Thank you, Mags. I didn't really have anorexia, because at that point in my life I probably had more brains than I do now. I knew that anorexia is something you die from (although BossMan says "At least they died trying, and everyone has sympathy for them"), and that I had to eat something every day. That and I had parents with their feet planted squarely on the ground, who wouldn't let anyone boss with me. Boss has reminded me several times that my Mom is dead, and that I have to look out for myself now (or let other "smart people" do it?), but her advice to me still lives. What finally snapped me out of it, was the realization that if my Mom was here now, she'd tell me to get a bleeping grip and start using my relatively sharp brain. I still listen to my Mom, you see. She may be gone from this world, but she taught me a few lessons during the 26 years we had together.
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Post by Nosey's sister on May 14, 2014 16:41:37 GMT
I have been watching this thread in silence though I was intrigued by it from the very first minute. (Being overweighed myself and knowing where the evil comes from but too lazy to change - bad idea, I know.) However, I must confess, WinterMoon, your boss scares me - even from afar. I might have a go at the tv programme, just to build my own opinion on it, but he sounds like one of those religious extremists who want to missionise everyone and anyone they come across. Apart from that: the way he speaks about your mother is utterly disrespectful. As far as I have come to know you, I judge you as someone who has the brains to think things over and to know what is good for you. However, I do know that it can be very, very hard to judge a situation properly if pressed or pulled at the "wrong" end. Your asking for help was the best you could do - to hear a different opinion from people wholly unconnected to the situation. I know I've done that myself quite a few times. Sorry - just had to get that off my mind.
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Post by LizMc on May 14, 2014 17:06:11 GMT
Winter Moon, your boss really worries me. He sounds like a manipulative bully and I'm glad you are looking for another job.
As for this crazy diet, stop......the fact that you have said you have felt headachy could mean your blood sugar has dropped....if it goes too low, you could faint and go into shock.....if that happens, you could be in serious trouble......
Yo-yo dieting can also be a trigger for type 2 diabetes........
Take care.
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Post by Ensign Sandra on May 14, 2014 17:20:42 GMT
Thanks, Sandra. I have told him, in no uncertain terms, that I WILL start eating again tomorrow. He claims that his tests show that everything is hunky-dory with his vital organs, and that his doctor has green-lighted him for going another week, making it 28 days in total. So this one particular doctor at least was not on the net, he's in a small, coastal town in Norway. It wasn't on the Internet BossMan actually found this information, it was a scientific programme on TV, on good old state-run NRK. He's been pestering me to watch it, because I will apparently change my mind when I watch it for myself. But I feel a little bit pissed off right now, because I don't think a boss should have this much say over my home-life even if, as he says, he just "borrows" me, and is not really my boss, and we're friends and yadda yadda. I'm looking for another job, just by the way. I am glad that you start eating again! And no-one, and certainly not your boss, should have the right to pressure you to go on when you do not feel good with it. Especially if he considers himself your friend. Enjoy eating! @sandra: I really find your medical explanations very interesting May I ask something in Addition to this? In Germany, a lot of people swear on something similar, "Heil-Fasten", which means going a certain time (usually also around 14 days) without food and drinking only vegetable juice or tea or whey (there are uncountable variations) to detox. Is sounds similar, but less extreme, than what Wintermoon's boss does. It is recommended to do it only after consulting a doctor about it and to start and end it slowly, with a time of (mental) preparation. I have never seen ist attraction. Where would you place that? Is there actually some sense in it or is it as dangerous as the water thing? I have been wondering if the Wintermoon's water diet might have the same origin. There is no medical reason to do a "detox diet". Your body already has a system set up for eliminating waste products and does so very efficiently. Yay kidneys and liver! And a "detox diet" doesn't do what it claims to do anyway. Of course, everyone's body will be happier and healthier if we give it more of the things it does need and less of the things it doesn't. More fruit and veg, increased fiber; less quickly-digested carbohydrates. You'd be getting some vitamins and minerals from veggie juice and high-quality amino acids (protein building blocks) from the whey, but the additional nutrients in the whole foods would be better for you in the long run. Also, whey tastes awful.If one has a case of specific acute or long-term poisoning, medical attention is necessary. Some religious traditions include scheduled fasting, but it usually doesn't last for weeks on end. Always ask "what is the evidence?" That Understanding Risk page that I linked to up-thread has a very nice explanation of how to read this stuff. Also search "evidence pyramid" for a graphic representation of what actually makes for stronger evidence.
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Post by Ensign Sandra on May 14, 2014 17:23:03 GMT
Eating a pear is not "an act of willful defiance." It is getting the sustenance that your body needs. And I think you should maybe think about following it up with some soup or a nice salad or something. I'm concerned with what you say is a reference to former anorexia. I think you should see a doctor if you can and talk to him or her about this. I'm with Sandra (who does know about this stuff)--this is a really bad idea. You can't "willful defy" somebody who has no authority in the situation. Your boss absolutely does not have authority over what you eat. If he keeps banging on about this, talk to somebody who has authority over HIM.
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Post by WinterMoon on May 14, 2014 17:35:03 GMT
Well, I've certainly learned some facts over the course of this thread. Anyway, everything I've eaten today has been healthy from a regular perseon's POV, so I surely haven't poisoned myself. I'll try to keep to healthy foods from now on, like I used to back when I lived with other people and cooked for more than one. This guy runs his own company, so the only higher authority would be, I don't know, the Labour Inspection? I know they have a help-line, but for now I think I can handle him. Thank you for your opinions, everyone. I really appreciate how helpful and knowledgable the members of this forum are!
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Post by Nosey's sister on May 14, 2014 18:30:05 GMT
Thank you for your opinions, everyone. I really appreciate how helpful and knowledgable the members of this forum are! You're welcome, dear. I am in awe at the other members' knowledge as well, and in regard of this particular topic, this was why I kept quiet for so long. However, don't be shy to call out again if you need just someone who listens to you. We all are there, 'kay? As for my own weight-problems: When we had some serious humid weeks, I felt my sprained ankle (I sprained it more than 20 years ago in a sports accidenct) worse than ever. It felt stiff, and I limped quite a bit. That was the turning point for me. Not really to do a classic diet but to do some gymnastics each morning (haven't done any kind of sports for months due to a fragile health situation in winter) and to reduce the sweets. Hard, when the frustration is there and I definitely tend to eat unhealthy stuff out of frustration, stress and/or boredom. However, I feel a bit better with the ankle, and that's what I'm doing it for. (Sorry, I'm rambling and digressing to no end.)
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Post by WinterMoon on May 14, 2014 19:00:45 GMT
No, no, you're not digressing! This is a thread about dieting, so you're perfectly on topic!
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Post by HMSCody on May 14, 2014 19:17:42 GMT
Wintermoon, dear shipmate, please don't let this boss-dude have this much power over you!! That alone is not healthy.
Listen to Sandra and the others. Talk to your doctor. Definitely find another job!
HMSCody
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Post by Ensign Sandra on May 14, 2014 19:37:20 GMT
Even if he is the boss, he doesn't own you. Refuse to discuss it with him. If he brings it up, just don't speak at all. You don't need to defend yourself.
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Post by Otter on May 14, 2014 19:56:48 GMT
Hi Winter Moon,
To bring a Horatian perspective into your query, if it really was healthy to survive on water for 20+ days, then Pellew would have allowed his crew to subsist on water only, Bunting would have been a blissful participant and Finch would have skylarked his way out of his death cot.
I hope by now you are back on solid foods; not just a piece of fruit, but incorporating protein, carbohydrates and, yes, fats.
As for your boss-friend, I believe the proof will be in the pudding when he goes off his (alleged?) water diet and gain the weight back. By now, his body's metabolism has slowed to a very low rate. When he starts eating again, his compromised metabolic system will not process the food and will not burn the calories as it once did. Inevitably, the pounds will come back and he will need to adjust his life-style, in different stages, in order to get his body back to working order. The longer he goes without food, the longer it will take his system to recover from starvation.
I hope, for his sake, he will discontinue his current course. I also question how he has been able to sustain himself thus far and I wonder whether or not he has undergone hypnosis. And if he smells like he just came out an oregano-infused sauna, you'll know where he gets his bliss.
Ensign Sandra posted some good information and your Mom is reminding you to heed common sense. We're all thinking about you.
Hugs from Otter
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Post by Dolphin on May 14, 2014 21:00:50 GMT
Proud of you! Eating the right (and only!) thing to do and I keep my fingers crossed that you will find a job away from that jerk as soon as possible!
Your boss is making me really angry, his stupidity is unbelievable. Can he honestly believe that anorexia is healthy?! F*cking idiot! Has he never seen a documentary about people suffering from EDs? The hundreds of clips of girls telling about their struggle with anorexia on youtube? All those lovely disturbing images? I have had anorexic and bulimic friends and classmates and neither of them were healthy or happy. Your boss sounds like one of those "Pro-Ana" types. "At least they died trying" - really?? That is revolting, insensitive, stupid .... *really angry*!!!
Unfortunately the video cannot be watched outside Norway (if I interpret it correctly), otherwise I would have loved to hear what they are saying. Do you by any chance remember the name of the doctor who invented this nonsense? Maybe I could find some other interview with him?
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Post by QueueMistressMags on May 15, 2014 20:58:43 GMT
I knew that anorexia is something you die from (although BossMan says "At least they died trying, and everyone has sympathy for them") WHAT. WHAT. WHAT. WHAT. Please, please get away from that man as soon as you can. He has broken my brain.
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Post by WinterMoon on May 16, 2014 11:08:52 GMT
Yeah, I kind of think he's managed to convince himself that "Skinny people have NO problems. And when they do, the problem is less serious than it would be for a fat person." He didn't say that anorexia was healthy, per say, just that it was a much lesser evil than dying from fooooood.
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