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Mutiny
Jun 13, 2014 2:39:14 GMT
Post by Ensign Sandra on Jun 13, 2014 2:39:14 GMT
Does anybody recall if the scene in Mutiny, where Randall pushes the kid off the yard-arm and he dies of the fall, actually happens in Lieutenant Hornblower? Because I am re-reading North and South--why yes, I did wallow in all four glorious hours of the mini-series earlier this week---and that scene is there lock, stock, and barrel. Mrs. Hale is talking to Margaret of her brother. One of his letters home revealed that it was that which finally drove Frederick Hale to mutiny against Captain Reid. Was it C. S. Forester or Trevor Bowen who ripped this off from Mrs. Gaskell?
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Post by vixie on Jun 13, 2014 12:22:46 GMT
Chances are that they are both "ripping it off" from old naval chronicles, diaries and logbooks. This sort of thing happened from time to time, and there are examples too numerous to mention in sailing novels.
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Mutiny
Jun 13, 2014 17:01:47 GMT
Post by DianeGretnaGreen on Jun 13, 2014 17:01:47 GMT
I think of Randall as Simpson's younger (spiritual) brother. Both are bullies.
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Mutiny
Jun 13, 2014 19:55:16 GMT
Post by QueueMistressMags on Jun 13, 2014 19:55:16 GMT
I don't have the Hornblower books to hand, but also noticed that during my recent re-read of N&S.
ETA: Also, what vixie said. Two of the stories (including mine) in Jane Austen Made Me Do It were inspired by the battle that made Frank Austen "get his step" to post-captain. The only thing I changed is that I had the sloop only capture one French ship, because I thought two was a little hard to believe.
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Post by HMS Lydia on Jun 13, 2014 22:46:51 GMT
I always thought both episodes were inspired by the mutiny of HMS Hermione in 1797. A flogging captain (Pigot) pushed his men to breaking point and finally over the edge when he threatened to flog the last man down from aloft, and three topmen fell to their deaths in a hurry during a squall. He ordered their bodies thrown overboard. He had also behaved abominably towards a midshipman, Casey, imposing on him harsh punishments for no reason and showing strong and random favouritism towards others. In what I find the clincher for the similitude, the mutineers of the Hermione defected to Spain like Margaret Hale's brother, and when the ship was cut out and brought back to England two years later, she was renamed Retribution, like Horatio's command.
Lydia
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Post by Sharpiefan on Jun 14, 2014 8:48:59 GMT
If you want to know more about the Hermione mutiny - and HMS Lydia is correct in the essentials! - you could do far worse than get hold of The Black Ship by Dudley Pope (he of the Ramage series of books) for a pretty decent non-fiction look at events. (And being a novelist, he writes very readable non-fiction, too!)
SF
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Mutiny
Jun 14, 2014 14:00:22 GMT
Post by HMS Lydia on Jun 14, 2014 14:00:22 GMT
Just ordered it! thanks for the tip Sharpie.  Lydia |
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